"Bio power v100"

[drawocssor]

Hi all

Have a local agent from "Bio power" just down the road. Any one heard of the v100 fuel they produce and have any experience of it?

Ross

[ADarbon]

never used bio fuel yet but did see the named place on ebay. main question is how much a liter.

[drawocssor]

Not cheap! £55 for 60 litres! So whats that 91.6p/L

Want to run filterd wvo but not many around here without some one collecting already! Thought it might prove a transition to running svo mix.

[ADarbon]

just run like desile on bio if the price is including the money the govenment steal of us then it is a little saving. and if your using it to do you 50 50 mix then even better saving

[mr mince]

Bio-power V100 is just veg with thinners not true biodiesel.

They're reputation is worse than mud with real bio producers as it's not friendly to newer common rail engines or Lucas fuel pumps but an Estima will run fine on it

[drawocssor]

Thanks for that mince, he dropping off 60ltrs on Friday to give it ago. Am thinking now that as it is not a direct diesel replacement that it is gonna strip the tank, and clog the filter so I will not put it in until my service pack arrives from you guys.

Get paid on Friday, how long is the postage on the service pack usually?

Am going to quiz on Friday to see what he tell's me it is??

Cheers again mince

[ADarbon]

I have learned something new surly that is wrong calling it bio. because there is a quite a prosess to make real bio

[mr mince]

I have learned something new surly that is wrong calling it bio. because there is a quite a prosess to make real bio

That's why it's V100 not B100 seems as long it's not called biodiesel it can be whatever it wants

Thanks for that mince, he dropping off 60ltrs on Friday to give it ago. Am thinking now that as it is not a direct diesel replacement that it is gonna strip the tank, and clog the filter so I will not put it in until my service pack arrives from you guys.

Even regular bio can do that, I'd keep a spare fuel filter in the car just in case I've never been stranded myself despite running all the junk under the sun there were a few times I wished I'd had a spare filter.

[drawocssor]

Well, bit the bullet today and being rather Impatient hasve filled the bus 50:50 with mineral and v100 quized the guy for a while and he was happy to answer all the qusetions!. It is wvo filtered and thinned and has had the cetane rating modified also? I know what he means but not how he's done it. Was a bit lumpy on a cold start, but ran fine when warm. He started to go on about the benifits of having a heated filter and said I could find one on a peugeot van and plumb it in. Any comments on doing this woould be appreciated. Otherwise I will update as the week rolls on.

Ross

[mr mince]

Cetane is the amount of bang in the veg a lot of veg burners use a cetane booster especially if they use petrol as a thinner as for a heated filter you could do worse than to invest in a heat exchanger (apparently a suitable one can be found in old combi boilers) That said I run silly amounts of veg all year round and so far the bus has never let me down......well not on a cold fuel related matter anyway

[ADarbon]

the filter is heated by the water in the coolant system so still wont make any difference for cold starts but will thin the fuel going to the pump when warm causing less pressure on the pump seals. best way around the cold start is a twin tank system. having a small tank for your deisil and a swich over for when the engin is warm. something i will invest in next year if the bus doesnt need any major repair jobs to do by then.

[drawocssor]

A bit of an update:

Well it seems to be running fine and am now on the look out for a heated filter, put the word out in the local breakers. It seems someone does the rounds and whips out all the heated filters once in a while.

Have been thinking about the cold start problem though. A separate tank is the way to go in the long term but think am going to have a go a building a heated 12v jacket for the filter and its in pipe, bit like what you'd have on your emersion heater in the house but with a coiled heating element in, set it at 92C - switch on the dash to turn on and Bobs a distance relative?

How much distance do you recon we'll get out of a filter full of fuel, enough I hoping to get enough heat ino the water for the heated pump to take over and switch the jacket off! Ideas?

[drawocssor]

Think I might try and chop up one of these!

http://www.lillianvernon.com/catalog/product_display.jsp?pdId=5198&ensemble%20Id=5198&PIPELINE_SESSION_ID=e19d3014cc091df136a3a1a747d89b7a

or

http://www.old-fashioned-values.com/get_item_tk240_dual-cup-cooler-warmer.htm

might try and think of as way of getting this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12v-Volt-1-WATER-HEATER-IMMERSION-ELEMENT-solar-wind-V-/150363487613?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&hash=item23025cbd7d

Into a fuel tank?

OR have all the work done for you with one of these

http://www.reuk.co.uk/Vegetable-Oil-Fuel-Heaters.htm

[mr mince]

Wouldn't worry about the cold start problem I was managing to start fine with a 90/10 veg petrol blend winter before last, a good set of glowplugs is all you really need with these.

A heated filter can be handy though especially if you go the whole way and filter your own waste oil

[drawocssor]

Well you can tell I'm back in work full time now! Never seem to have the time to post midweek! Well did my first long trip in the bus last week, wednesday and thursday down to Bridgend. 512 miles and all good.
The V100 is running well but the bus does not like running when cold on 100%, much better on 90% with a bit of mineral thrown in! Am gonna get a pre heater come pay day and see if that makes a difference just until warm.

Otherwise the bus did me proud! getting about 28 to the gallon, so not bad.

[mr mince]

Might be worth cleaning the tank strainer. My silver bus used to be very lumpy on veg when cold, sometimes to the point of stalling if the revs weren't kept above 1500. After removing the tank strainer the lumpy idle vanished

[Kernowman]

I have the part number if you want to order a new T-bag from toyota... it's also list in HOW TO CHANGE YOUR T-BAG thread...lol

Easy job to do... plus you can check inside tank at same time and see what gunk is in there. 

[Kernowman]

Here's link to thread will all info..
T-bag change

[mr mince]

I have the part number if you want to order a new T-bag from toyota... it's also list in HOW TO CHANGE YOUR T-BAG thread...lol

Easy job to do... plus you can check inside tank at same time and see what gunk is in there. 

I'll live without, I know what's in my tank I see most of it pour through the funnel, would be different if I used stuff from the pumps though it would be back in sharpish

[Kernowman]

True...lol 
Most dirt comes from bottom of pfs tanks thru pumps whilst fueling up.

[drawocssor]

am a bit of a fool missed all these posts by only looking at the first page!

Am gonna have a look at the the tank next week end, thanks for the PN will get one and change it any way.

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Well you can tell I'm back in work full time now! Never seem to have the time to post midweek! Well did my first long trip in the bus last week, wednesday and thursday down to Bridgend. 512 miles and all good.
The V100 is running well but the bus does not like running when cold on 100%, much better on 90% with a bit of mineral thrown in! Am gonna get a pre heater come pay day and see if that makes a difference just until warm.

Otherwise the bus did me proud! getting about 28 to the gallon, so not bad.

[Gary (not GT Gary)]

I'd just run on a mix that doesn't cause starting problems. Adding fuel heaters and other devices to try and thin the veg just seems like too much messing around in comparison.

[mr mince]

I'd just run on a mix that doesn't cause starting problems. Adding fuel heaters and other devices to try and thin the veg just seems like too much messing around in comparison.

Agree, I used to have a battle of wits against my Serena's battery everytime the temp hit single digits, not worth it for a tenner of petrol

[drawocssor]

Its not even that it has starting problems really, first turn of the key every time, its just that it is lumpy untill it warms up. Just being sad and thinking of excess engine wear and uneven metal expansions. Does the petrol mix go away way to reduce this! the v100 is already thinned and he dose a different mix in the winter, do you think it might be an idea to chuck any extra bit of petrol in as well?

[ADarbon]

you really need to know what he is putting in it in the first place personally i stick too getting oil and adding my own fuel i know how much im using and what too improve on if your that botheresd about the ctane rateing you can by bulk bottles on line cheep enough. added it too the first few batches i ever used didnt make a masive difference.
the answere is yes add a liter of fuel and see if it runs better you will need to shake the mix and best let settle for a day. that way if there is a reaction you will see it before you put it in

[drawocssor]

am pretty sure he users white spirit or turps subs for thinning not sure about the cetane bit. I don't produce as he seems to have the monopoly on local collections.

[mr mince]

am pretty sure he users white spirit or turps subs for thinning not sure about the cetane bit. I don't produce as he seems to have the monopoly on local collections.

 Make sure you keep your receipt those are brilliant for thinning (white spirit is one of the best) but in the highly unlikely event that customs dip your tank those are as bad as red diesel in their book.

Like I say keep your receipt and you should be fine, either of them mixes well enough with a petrol as extra thinner

[Kernowman]

Just spotted this.... if you use any other type of fuel other than petrol or diesel from a garage pump, you will not have paid road fuel duty on it.
Using Vegetable Oil you are allowed 2500 litres per annum free of road fuel duty... but if you use anything else you are meant to declare it and pay duty on it...    so be careful 

[drawocssor]

Yeah, have asked him about this!

HE Claims that the tax has been paid on the fuel for road use, and it does seem that from his invoices he is declaring tax on the fuel. I have kept all my receipts and all the emails from him saying that tax is paid. I'm only on about 130 litre a month so am going to be within any limit. I think he has too pay the tax as he is operating commercially. From what I read the limit applies to self or non commercial production. Commercial producers must register and pay tax per litre as it is sold. He also said that North Wales Police with Vosa have dipped a few of his tanks and nothing has come from the thinning with terps subs.

You've got me worried now am I being a little gullible